Episode 74
SPC#74 – Tanks for the Memories; How Not to Make Fuelish Mistakes
In Episode 74, we join Bill as he finishes up his first "under the hood" instrument training flight. We also include a 'Beyond the Checkride' segment on fueling your airplane which is something many new pilots were never taught before the checkride.
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Transcript
Alright, let's finish my instrument training flight that we started last
Speaker:week and try to squeeze in another big, fat, beyond the checkride segment,
Speaker:where we'll dive into fueling our own airplanes at self service pumps.
Speaker:Enjoy today's episode of the Student Pilot Cast, Tanks for the Memories,
Speaker:How Not to Make Fuel ish Mistakes.
Speaker:Welcome back SBC listeners, and I'm sorry about the puns.
Speaker:I can't help it.
Speaker:Anyway, we're back with the conclusion of my first training flight under the
Speaker:hood in quite a while I'll try to be quick on the commentary and the in
Speaker:cockpit audio on this one because we've got a pretty big Beyond the check ride
Speaker:segment that I want to make sure that we have time for and that we squeeze
Speaker:in here Before we get going on that though, there were a couple of things I
Speaker:promised to at least touch on this week.
Speaker:I'll hopefully go into detail at some point in the future.
Speaker:But I mentioned last week when I was talking about my son working at APS
Speaker:that he'd likely be getting a pretty fun ride in an airplane here pretty soon.
Speaker:Well I had one recently too and I mentioned that briefly.
Speaker:So let me step out of sequence here a little bit in my
Speaker:training and get you up to date.
Speaker:As you may know I'm currently working on my CFI training right now.
Speaker:Thanks Mostly just waiting on getting a DPE scheduled, but still learning,
Speaker:studying, and flying, and trying to be ready when it does get scheduled.
Speaker:So if you don't know You have to get a SPIN endorsement to be a
Speaker:candidate for the CFI checkride, so I decided to do it in style.
Speaker:I went back to where it all began for me, Chandler Air Service, and
Speaker:did my SPIN training with a great instructor there who's been doing crazy
Speaker:fun stuff in airplanes for decades.
Speaker:I had never even taken a plane upside down before, so I knew
Speaker:this was gonna be a treat.
Speaker:And one of the best parts of the whole thing was that I did the
Speaker:flying part of the training in an open cockpit aerobatic biplane.
Speaker:What a freaking rush.
Speaker:We did a fair amount of ground training before getting in the
Speaker:airplane, probably a couple of hours worth, and then hopped in a Great
Speaker:Lakes biplane to do the actual spins.
Speaker:The nature of that cockpit, especially with the parachutes we were wearing,
Speaker:it felt more like we were wearing the airplane than sitting in it.
Speaker:But what a great experience.
Speaker:I got 1.
Speaker:1 of dual in that biplane that day and probably did more than a dozen spins of
Speaker:all kinds, went upside down, did spin reversals, accelerated spins, you name it.
Speaker:By the end though, I was spent
Speaker:my stomach was starting to get a little angry with me as I wasn't
Speaker:used to those types of movements.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:As I recall, I didn't realize the training was going to be that long.
Speaker:We got a little bit of a late start because he had another lesson that
Speaker:he was finishing up beforehand.
Speaker:And I ended up not eating all morning.
Speaker:And by the time we were done with the flight, it was afternoon
Speaker:and that probably wasn't smart.
Speaker:I didn't do it on purpose.
Speaker:I just thought, Oh, I'll be there for a couple of hours
Speaker:and then I'll grab some food.
Speaker:And, anyway, it didn't work.
Speaker:It didn't work out.
Speaker:My stomach was getting mad at me.
Speaker:when we were on our way back in from the flight, he asked if I
Speaker:wanted to do some mild aerobatics.
Speaker:And while my stomach and head were saying no way, I found myself
Speaker:saying, well, yeah, of course.
Speaker:So how do you pass up a chance like that?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I did fine.
Speaker:No dog bag needed that day.
Speaker:But I was still glad I had one there just in case, you know what I mean?
Speaker:Anyway, I actually learned a great deal and had a ton of fun
Speaker:Despite it being really pretty hot.
Speaker:The open cockpit helped keep things a little cooler Even I think we
Speaker:were starting most of our maneuvers at about 5, 500 MSL The reason I
Speaker:don't recall for sure is because we had set our altimeter for, AGL.
Speaker:We'd set it to ground level.
Speaker:So we'd always see how far above the deck we were.
Speaker:so I, I think it was somewhere around 5, 500 that we were
Speaker:starting all the maneuvers.
Speaker:So it helped a little bit to be up higher like that.
Speaker:And luckily, luckily it was slightly cooler than it had been
Speaker:lately for that particular day.
Speaker:I flew especially because we weren't flying until You know,
Speaker:noon, but cooler for Arizona in the summer is still blasted hot.
Speaker:Anyway, I just wanted to bring you up to speed a bit on what I'd been doing
Speaker:and that ride I had, and hopefully I'll do a more in depth recount
Speaker:of that training and the flight in a future episode of the podcast.
Speaker:I did record the flight, but being an open cockpit and all the audio is not
Speaker:quite as clean as I normally get, but that's all right, it's still usable.
Speaker:And I'll share what I can.
Speaker:Coming up at some point in the podcast.
Speaker:So let's get on to the end of my instrument training
Speaker:flight way back in sequence.
Speaker:If you remember, I was doing instrument patterns in the sky
Speaker:when we left off last week.
Speaker:So we'll pick it up there again, as usual, I'll edit the audio in the cockpit
Speaker:for blank space and brevity and just jump in to comment where necessary.
Speaker:The last half of this flight should go pretty quickly.
Speaker:Remember, this is February in the Phoenix Valley, so absolutely Beautiful weather.
Speaker:So I started talking about how I felt like I was missing the view
Speaker:from the cockpit on such a nice day.
Speaker:And Eddie reminded me that this was just the beginning and that I'd be itching
Speaker:to be able to see outside long before I finished my instrument training.
Speaker:South practice, Red Rock 60, 4, 500 over the north test track.
Speaker:It's too bad though, I love the view from the cockpit on nice days.
Speaker:I don't get to enjoy it.
Speaker:You honestly, at the end of instrument, you're actually going to be excited
Speaker:for a commercial because you're going to be able to look outside.
Speaker:Good point.
Speaker:I was really bummed out after.
Speaker:It was great, but not being able to look outside gets annoying.
Speaker:Alright, 30 seconds to my right 180.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Traffic is all no factor now, which is perfect.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Honestly, I'm using this primarily for vague because that's throwing me off.
Speaker:So this is now your primary instrument, this is now your supporting.
Speaker:Yeah, might as well make that in op.
Speaker:So, uh, control, yeah, so that's the other form of instrument flying, is your
Speaker:primary supporting method of instruments.
Speaker:All right, here's our one minute standard rate turn.
Speaker:Back pressure.
Speaker:it turned faster than expected.
Speaker:By 4 or 5 seconds.
Speaker:That is weird.
Speaker:It must have been too high at some point.
Speaker:On the rate of turn I mean.
Speaker:No, no, a little bit, but you're fine.
Speaker:You still look pretty good.
Speaker:I'm trying to find the timer on here so you don't have to use your phone.
Speaker:I need another knee board for my phone.
Speaker:Yeah, for real.
Speaker:I'm going to figure that out for us on the next flight.
Speaker:Watch your altitude.
Speaker:I got fixated for a second.
Speaker:Yep, fixation and omission.
Speaker:It's true.
Speaker:What kills pilots.
Speaker:The struggle is real.
Speaker:The struggle is very, very real.
Speaker:Alright, so you're heading on this for two minutes.
Speaker:We're 43 seconds into it.
Speaker:And Red Rocks 1, 600 feet above us.
Speaker:What's that?
Speaker:Ryan and Jaclyn are about 1, 600 feet above us.
Speaker:Oh, got some company traffic, huh?
Speaker:Yep, they're ripping.
Speaker:I mean, not like us on the scooters this morning, but.
Speaker:Oh, no, not like us, no, they could never.
Speaker:Alright, so let me explain that for a second.
Speaker:I think I had mentioned before that there was work being done on the hangar and
Speaker:tie down areas for the flight school.
Speaker:In fact, they were moving locations
Speaker:and prep was being done on the new place.
Speaker:So the airplanes were homeless for a bit.
Speaker:So for a couple of months, or maybe it was only a few weeks, it's hard to
Speaker:remember, they were being parked out on the flight line in front of the tower.
Speaker:About a ten minute walk from the school.
Speaker:I think in a previous episode you heard a controller ask about our walk out there.
Speaker:Well, sometimes instead of hoofing it, we'd get on the golf cart if it was
Speaker:available, or on some occasions, we'd We grabbed some electric scooters that
Speaker:they had in the hangar there, if they were charged, and if they were available.
Speaker:And that's what we had done that morning.
Speaker:And we had some fun getting out to the plane.
Speaker:That's why the reference to us ripping around the airport on those scooters.
Speaker:So, now you know.
Speaker:Let's continue.
Speaker:Southeast, Fractionary, Oxford 7119, two miles south of the AGL, headed to
Speaker:the Phoenix, last call, sorry, headed to Stockfield, last call, southeast.
Speaker:Southwest Fractionary, Oxford 5821, 2, 100 over the I 10 Greenfields Ground rope.
Speaker:Last call.
Speaker:That's cool, it just flew right over the top of us.
Speaker:20 seconds.
Speaker:Cool, 20 seconds to go.
Speaker:I'll be doing a right one minute turn.
Speaker:Yep, perfect.
Speaker:Here we go.
Speaker:And on this one, for traffic's sake, I'm going to have you climb up to, uh, 4, 700.
Speaker:4, 700.
Speaker:Keep that climb coming.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Twenty four seconds in the turn.
Speaker:Twenty four seconds in the turn.
Speaker:Go.
Speaker:Alright,
Speaker:that one was perfectly one minute.
Speaker:And there you are.
Speaker:Oh, I'm losing it.
Speaker:Get back to, before you call it, let me get back to my altitude.
Speaker:Red Rock 60, maintain 4, 700.
Speaker:Pilot deviation.
Speaker:4, 700.
Speaker:And how much more time do we have on this one?
Speaker:I think it's over.
Speaker:Done.
Speaker:Alright, perfect.
Speaker:Um, we are it's almost 840, so we uh, probably start, have to head back.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Um, but we managed to get a traffic, or we managed to get
Speaker:a pattern in, which is great.
Speaker:Next time we'll just rip through the ground a little bit faster
Speaker:so we have some more time in the air, but that was fantastic Bill.
Speaker:So now what I'm going to have you do is I'm going to have you go direct
Speaker:Chandler and descend down to 3, 300.
Speaker:Alright, that's going to be a left turn?
Speaker:Um, let's do a let's do a left turn.
Speaker:Left turn heading direct Chandler.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Descending to 3, 300.
Speaker:And my heading, shouldn't it tell me?
Speaker:Three zero.
Speaker:Two three.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:When you come out off, when you're heading, you can get the weather.
Speaker:Four.
Speaker:Dalkin,
Speaker:Okay, so I'd grabbed the ATIS for Falcon here, but notice the winds.
Speaker:It was blowing pretty good.
Speaker:So a funny little conversation happened between Eddie and me.
Speaker:Should he be worried?
Speaker:Maybe.
Speaker:I'll just let it play all the way back to the field.
Speaker:Here you go.
Speaker:Papa.
Speaker:1, 4, 5, 4.
Speaker:Zulu wind 3 0 1 2.
Speaker:Gus, two zero.
Speaker:Temperature 1, 2 2 point minus five.
Speaker:Ultima 3 0 2 5.
Speaker:Approach east landing.
Speaker:Enter party runway waist.
Speaker:Four left and four.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You not observe effect for further information Contact.
Speaker:All arrivals contact tower 124.
Speaker:6.
Speaker:Papa.
Speaker:I wanted to hear the winds one more time
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Sounds like it's gusting pretty good.
Speaker:Yeah, I think it's gusting 20.
Speaker:Wind 030 at 12, gust 20.
Speaker:Temperature 12, dew point minus 5, altimeter 3025.
Speaker:Uh, I can take the landing if you're not comfortable with it.
Speaker:That's pretty much down the runway.
Speaker:I think we're okay.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:You can be on it with me in case you're worried.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But I could use the practice.
Speaker:I'm not that worried.
Speaker:I'm slightly worried, but.
Speaker:Laughter.
Speaker:Alright, you got a thousand feet to descend.
Speaker:emergency descent to forest landing, look out for the southeast.
Speaker:South Praxis area, Red Rock six east, two miles to the west of Papachula, four
Speaker:thousand descending, three thousand three hundred north, back to Falcon, southeast.
Speaker:Okay, so it's like 30, 40 miles.
Speaker:That's a good deal.
Speaker:Uh, I hope he's not heading back too.
Speaker:Alright, you can come right, uh, heading, let's say 0 5 0.
Speaker:0 5 0.
Speaker:0
Speaker:5 0 and keep that descent coming.
Speaker:Um, we're gonna keep the speed up to try to get ahead of this Oxford so
Speaker:you can honestly almost go full power.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Alright, 130, man.
Speaker:Alright, good.
Speaker:Yeah, I just want to get some separation between this guy,
Speaker:just for safety, but good job.
Speaker:Southeast Bracketeria, 2791, 4, 000, Johnson's Ranch going southbound.
Speaker:He was coming kinda right at us, same altitude, he's also
Speaker:heading back to Falcon, so.
Speaker:Alright, you can start, you can pull that power back now.
Speaker:You can go down to like 2, 300 or fine now.
Speaker:Standing
Speaker:way below for some reason.
Speaker:So maybe he's just going to transition through Chandler or do
Speaker:some landings there or something.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Help you out a little bit.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Just clear of that, Bravo clear of this shelf.
Speaker:We'll just go right in the middle.
Speaker:Got it.
Speaker:I want to look out so bad and like see where Chandler is.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:Take a quick peek for a second.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Looks like there's some wind pushing it kind of maybe to the left a little bit.
Speaker:So really just kind of go kind of towards the middle.
Speaker:You don't even have to follow this line.
Speaker:Just kind of put us right in the center.
Speaker:Got it.
Speaker:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Maybe like a zero four five heading almost.
Speaker:Zero four zero.
Speaker:Zero four five.
Speaker:Southwest Factory, Oxford 6154, we're about 2 miles northwest of
Speaker:Meccawood Town, tune in to the tailgate for the first landing.
Speaker:Come right, 045 for now.
Speaker:045, got it.
Speaker:And you're 10 miles, so you can switch over to tower.
Speaker:Morning helicopter, MD 8, filtrate ramp lights are in position to the
Speaker:echo ramp for the MD 2 with PAPA.
Speaker:MD 8, MD 2 approved.
Speaker:MD 8.
Speaker:And you can say, uh, Falcon Tower, Red Rock 60 is 10 miles to the
Speaker:south, inbound, full stop with PAPA.
Speaker:Falcon Tower, Red Rock 60 is 10 miles to the south, inbound with PAPA, full stop.
Speaker:This is 9774 Fall Cherokee on a mile final runway, 4 left clear to land.
Speaker:4 left clear to land, number 2, 9774.
Speaker:Red Rock 60, Fox Tower, straight in runway 4 right.
Speaker:Straight in for 4 right, Red Rock 60.
Speaker:Beautiful, Bill.
Speaker:Nice job.
Speaker:Alright, we're clear of that traffic over there.
Speaker:Say the call sign one more time.
Speaker:I don't know what he's talking about.
Speaker:Talking to someone else in here.
Speaker:Spreading It's kind of sandwiching.
Speaker:It's not fun kind of dodging the airspace, but you get used to it after a while.
Speaker:I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you.
Speaker:I was going to say, it's not really ideal just threading between airspaces,
Speaker:but after a while you get used to it.
Speaker:Alright, so now that we're past Chandler's airspace, you can descend and maintain
Speaker:2, 400 traffic pattern altitude.
Speaker:2, 400.
Speaker:2, 400.
Speaker:We want to be, by the time we hit that airspace for Falcon,
Speaker:we want to be at 2, 400.
Speaker:So you can continue with your before landing checklist,
Speaker:because we made that first call.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Before landing, fuel pump on.
Speaker:Got to do a scan between each item.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:Uh, fuel, proper tank, I think we're still good.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Uh, mixture.
Speaker:Rich.
Speaker:We're still rich.
Speaker:RRP is 10.
Speaker:Ending light.
Speaker:That other one.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:And five miles out.
Speaker:That's for Unpowered.
Speaker:They said straight in four, right?
Speaker:Oh, route one Probably.
Speaker:Yankee, can you make go below, go 700.
Speaker:We're gonna kinda, we're gonna turn left.
Speaker:Heading.
Speaker:We're ready.
Speaker:3 6 0 1 Bra Yankee Roger, make the right turn on Delta four.
Speaker:Delta Duke.
Speaker:Okay, Delta 2 holding short of 4 right, 1 Bravo Yankee.
Speaker:Red Rock 71, right Delta 6, contact ground, see ya.
Speaker:Delta 6, Delta ground, 10 4, see ya.
Speaker:Roger, 2781, runway 48 full length, line up and wait.
Speaker:Line up and wait, Delta 421, 2781.
Speaker:Rocket 1, Bravo Yankee, runway 48 at Delta 2, clear for takeoff.
Speaker:Fly straight out.
Speaker:Okay, Rocket 1, Bravo Yankee, cleared for takeoff, straight out.
Speaker:Yeah, it should even out, yeah, for acceleration there, perfect.
Speaker:Yeah, talking to ROX for 3966, could we get a short approach on this one?
Speaker:Roger, 3966, make short approach, runway 4 left, cleared for option.
Speaker:Short approach, 4 left, cleared for the option, thank you, ROX for 3966.
Speaker:Roger, ROX 60, runway 48, continue traffic in position.
Speaker:We're continuing Red Rock 60.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Falcon Tower, Oxford 9750, requesting Chandler Arrival with information Papa.
Speaker:Tell me when I can see again.
Speaker:I know, I was just thinking about that.
Speaker:Left turn Echo 4, 4 left via Echo 98774.
Speaker:Cleared for takeoff, runway 4R, Oxford 2781.
Speaker:You can slowly start your descent down at 2, 000.
Speaker:Start the descent?
Speaker:Yeah, you can slowly start your descent down at 2, 000.
Speaker:Once you hit 2, 000, you can take your focals off.
Speaker:Rec 1 Bravo Yankee right turn approved.
Speaker:Right turn 1 Bravo Yankee, thanks.
Speaker:Knox 5542, boundary tower, delay approved, runway 4 4 right,
Speaker:cleared for takeoff, Knox 5542.
Speaker:Knox 9750, reduce speed, following Cherokee 12 o'clock, 2 miles,
Speaker:runway 4 right, cleared to land.
Speaker:Reduce speed, 4 right, cleared to land, Knox 9750.
Speaker:Red Rock 60, runway 4 right, cleared to land.
Speaker:Cleared to land, 4 right, Red Rock 60.
Speaker:Alright, just do a normal landing.
Speaker:Welcome back.
Speaker:See ya.
Speaker:3, 400 eastbound Cherokee.
Speaker:Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and put, uh, Can you hold that, please?
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Alright, one Bravo Yankee, roger.
Speaker:Break change approved, Stu.
Speaker:Okay, see you in a while, thanks.
Speaker:MD a's ready to go.
Speaker:Yankee two, MDA Yankee two approved.
Speaker:MD eight.
Speaker:Hello.
Speaker:Watch your out.
Speaker:Dude.
Speaker:Could
Speaker:be about 1800, right?
Speaker:1, 3, 0, 2 Charlie 10 miles east Northeast.
Speaker:3,600 landing.
Speaker:Popup
Speaker:90.
Speaker:November 1, 3 0 2.
Speaker:Charlie Falcon Tower Make right traffic runway.
Speaker:Four, eight.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Traffic.
Speaker:Four.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Columbia is zero two.
Speaker:Charlie, you don't need to add collapse.
Speaker:Yeah, if you're a little low, you can always add power.
Speaker:Oh, I got the one in.
Speaker:With the gusting, it's probably better not to go full flaps.
Speaker:No, probably not.
Speaker:So let's just stay at 25.
Speaker:We're clear to land.
Speaker:Additional traffic is
Speaker:12 o'clock, one mile, three thousand six hundred eastbound Cherokee.
Speaker:Yes, sir.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Have them and we're going to pass behind them to his right.
Speaker:Keep the flap settings where it's at, right?
Speaker:You could go flap 25 if you really need to, but right now it
Speaker:seems like this is doing us fine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Because you're still a little low, so you don't need to add another set of flaps.
Speaker:That's what I would decide to.
Speaker:I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker:3966, roger, left traffic.
Speaker:Left, 3966, and then, uh, can we try that, uh, that short approach again?
Speaker:Alright, I got one, white.
Speaker:3966, short approach, runway four left, clear to option.
Speaker:Short approach, four left, clear for the option, OXA 3966, Flaps
Speaker:set, approach stable, clear to land, 4 right.
Speaker:Still at 80.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Still got one way, almost two, there's two.
Speaker:Make sure to not land with brakes.
Speaker:Get directional control, then add brakes.
Speaker:Little high.
Speaker:Oh, he's getting on the controls with you lately.
Speaker:Nice little power.
Speaker:I'm gonna let that
Speaker:airspeed bleed off.
Speaker:Beautiful.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Right on Delta 6
Speaker:and we'll contact ground, Red Rock 60.
Speaker:Oh, it says all the plants on the runway.
Speaker:It's a bunch of crap out here.
Speaker:AJ Approved, 5542.
Speaker:Columbia, 02Charlie, runway 4 right clear to land, number 1.
Speaker:Clear on number, uh, clear on 4 right, 02Charlie, number 1.
Speaker:And come to a stop after that assault line.
Speaker:Clear, clear.
Speaker:Near Delta 6.
Speaker:Talking ground, Red Rock 60 is off at 4 right at Delta 6.
Speaker:Going to parking.
Speaker:Red Rock 60 talking ground, taxi parking via Delta.
Speaker:Taxi to parking via Delta, Red Rock 60.
Speaker:Nicely done.
Speaker:That's my, uh, fuel timer going on.
Speaker:I'm glad you didn't switch it, um, when we're that low to the ground
Speaker:in case something were to go wrong.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:We'll just go, yeah, we'll just go right next to, uh, six.
Speaker:Six
Speaker:KY.
Speaker:Four.
Speaker:Three.
Speaker:Three.
Speaker:Charlie F and grand runway.
Speaker:Four Delta.
Speaker:Delta four.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Uh, three Charlie.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:And we'll just line ourselves up with those wings and we'll do our after
Speaker:landing checklist, and then we'll do our parking secure checklist.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:A thousand's fine
Speaker:after landing lap.
Speaker:I already got those.
Speaker:Fuel pump off, landing light off, Carb heat still in.
Speaker:Pulling that anyway.
Speaker:Braking brake is on, mixture cut off.
Speaker:Hold on, wait till it, wait till it.
Speaker:I will, I will.
Speaker:Alright, magnetos are Okay.
Speaker:So pretty good flight.
Speaker:I was learning, making some mistakes and had a lot of mistakes
Speaker:to learn from yet to come.
Speaker:I was able to land okay in the gusts, although it wasn't too far off the runway
Speaker:heading, so it wasn't too hard, but I was happy to be getting experiences that
Speaker:would continue to make me a better pilot.
Speaker:I was having a lot of fun with Eddie and I was just so happy to
Speaker:be flying again, even though I could barely look outside anymore.
Speaker:So let me know what you think.
Speaker:Am I going to make it through this?
Speaker:All right, it's time for today's Beyond the Checkride.
Speaker:Let's bring Kent back into the SPC studios and see what he has for us today.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I'm back with Kent Shook for another Beyond the Checkride.
Speaker:Kent, how are you doing?
Speaker:Excellent as usual.
Speaker:I'm always happy when I get to talk
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:And what topic do you have for us today?
Speaker:Well, this one's important because it is one of the top three causes of accidents
Speaker:that I think have been the top three for a really, really, really long time.
Speaker:those three things.
Speaker:Of course, are into weather you're not prepared for.
Speaker:are the airplane.
Speaker:Quote, maneuvering flight, which means, you know, buzzing your
Speaker:buddy's house because you think it's cool and then crashing into
Speaker:power lines or something like that.
Speaker:Or, you know what the third one is.
Speaker:What is it?
Speaker:Fuel problems.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:We S for some silly reason, we cannot stop running out of gas.
Speaker:It's my opinion, the dumbest reason to crash an airplane, because, you know,
Speaker:there are so many ways of being prepared and having lots and lots of fuel.
Speaker:know, personally, I want an hour minimum, even if it's on
Speaker:a Clear, beautiful VFR day.
Speaker:I think I recently told you the story about how I was flying an airplane
Speaker:that had more than a 7 hour endurance and it had been flown for 45 minutes
Speaker:before I flew it and I decided to have it topped off anyway and after
Speaker:I flew I was really glad I had.
Speaker:So, yeah, I mean, there's a reason that the saying goes, the only time you can
Speaker:have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And one thing that I think would help that a lot Is I always wonder, you know,
Speaker:if someone's flying home from a, uh, G.
Speaker:A.
Speaker:vacation, know, and it's getting kind of late Sunday night, and
Speaker:all the FBOs are closed, and their fuel's getting kind of marginal.
Speaker:How many people have crashed because they just went, well, I don't really
Speaker:know how to fuel my own airplane, and I'm probably going to be okay, and
Speaker:I just want to get home, I'm tired, and, you know, so they push it.
Speaker:And then run out of gas.
Speaker:You know, how much does that happen?
Speaker:If you look
Speaker:in the NTSB
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:there
Speaker:are so many of these running out of fuel accidents that just make you
Speaker:facepalm what were you thinking?
Speaker:And I really just think in many cases, it's because people have
Speaker:never fueled an airplane themselves.
Speaker:And it's not something
Speaker:that's taught to
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:during primary training.
Speaker:Unless They're at one of the airports that maybe doesn't have fuel trucks,
Speaker:and it's their flight school's that, you know, they fuel the airplane as soon as
Speaker:they're done flying, but other than that one limited circumstance, I think most
Speaker:people get a private pilot certificate and have no clue how to fuel an airplane.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:agree.
Speaker:I, I hadn't ever fueled an airplane, uh, when I got my private certificate.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I didn't learn it until I joined the club of our, or we had to fill all of our
Speaker:own airplanes, even at our home airport.
Speaker:there was only self serve there, um, because I, I started flying out of a
Speaker:small private airport and, you know, it's so wonky to me that you can be a
Speaker:pilot and I didn't think about it at the time, but I thought about it afterwards
Speaker:when I thought, man, I don't know how to fuel my own airplane, but it, it
Speaker:seems really strange that you can be a pilot and not ever have been taught.
Speaker:how to fuel, um, an airplane.
Speaker:But I think, like you said, I think a lot of people are in that boat.
Speaker:So I think this is a great topic.
Speaker:yeah, I would guess it's probably the vast majority of people, until you
Speaker:get to the point where you're flying into little rural places a lot, or,
Speaker:you know, maybe you get into back country flying or something like that.
Speaker:there's, there's probably a lot of people who make it all the way to the
Speaker:airlines without ever having fueled an
Speaker:airplane.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:probably true.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:anyway, so let's, let's kind
Speaker:And then they still don't have to.
Speaker:through the whole process.
Speaker:I mean, there's, I don't know how many FBOs there are the world,
Speaker:but I do know that airports that have an FBO are in the minority.
Speaker:There are so many places out there where, you know, you stop at Podunk
Speaker:Municipal, and you can stop and you can fuel up your own airplane.
Speaker:so let's talk about how you do that.
Speaker:First of all, of course, you want to pull up to the pump.
Speaker:Um, my preferred method of doing it is to the left wing closer to the pump.
Speaker:It's just so that I can taxi back out when I go to leave.
Speaker:Because I fly a really heavy airplane, it's kind of hard to push back.
Speaker:if you're flying something lighter, it's Like a 152, 172, something like
Speaker:that, that you can push pretty easily, then it's okay to just go ahead and
Speaker:pull straight up to the pump.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I've
Speaker:and this is a scenario where,
Speaker:always done that too.
Speaker:okay, yeah, this is a scenario where I think using the parking
Speaker:brake is usually an easy way to go.
Speaker:That way you don't have to worry about chocks once you get out.
Speaker:But yeah, park the airplane in a good spot.
Speaker:You basically want to be able to easily pull the fuel hose
Speaker:out in front of the airplane.
Speaker:So when I'm in the Mooney, like I said, I kind of point my left wing toward
Speaker:where the pumps are, but I want the pump to be kind of at a 45 degree angle.
Speaker:to the front and left of me out past the wingtip.
Speaker:And that way, if I pull the fuel hose straight out, I'm
Speaker:going in front of the nose.
Speaker:I'm not, you know, getting into the prop or anything like that.
Speaker:I'm not trying to pull it around my nose gear or any of that sort of thing.
Speaker:So park it in a good position like that.
Speaker:Shut down.
Speaker:Turn that parking brake on, hop out, and then, of course, you gotta pay.
Speaker:I think there's, there's only about three or maybe four different types of payment
Speaker:terminals at all the airports in the U.
Speaker:S.
Speaker:for some reason I can't think of what any of them are called right now, but
Speaker:they're all fairly straightforward.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The payment terminal, you should be able to operate, but the fuel pumps
Speaker:are different than most people are, or
Speaker:yeah, and we'll get to that.
Speaker:used to with cars.
Speaker:So yeah, or,
Speaker:be aware of is that some airports will have a timeout in between when you, make
Speaker:your payment and when you start the pump.
Speaker:So, one thing that I've seen a lot of people do to pull out the fuel hose.
Speaker:First, before you do the payment terminal, and that way, as soon as
Speaker:you're done with your payment, you can go straight to the switch that
Speaker:turns the pump on and turn it right on so that you don't get that timeout.
Speaker:I will say I often don't do that, but there have been times where that's
Speaker:bitten me and I've had to go through the whole credit card procedure a second
Speaker:time because the pump had a really short timeout and I didn't get the hose
Speaker:out quick enough, so to be aware of.
Speaker:the other thing is on All of those payment terminals, they're at some point going
Speaker:to ask you, is the aircraft grounded?
Speaker:So, this isn't your car, you're not buying 10 gallons of fuel most likely.
Speaker:in fact, bonus to being able to fuel your own airplane is that you don't have
Speaker:to buy your fuel from an expensive FBO.
Speaker:you know, I'm based at a field that has Atlantic Aviation and they are not cheap.
Speaker:I can save like a buck fifty, two bucks a gallon and my fuel capacity is 90 gallons.
Speaker:And so sometimes I'm going and buying 75 or 80 gallons at a time.
Speaker:and at two bucks a gallon, that's real money.
Speaker:so that.
Speaker:Flight to the little airport that has the cheap fuel pays for itself.
Speaker:If you needed any more incentive to listen to the rest of this segment, there it is.
Speaker:This can save you a whole lot of money.
Speaker:or better yet, get you a little extra flying for no more money.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:I mean, that's, that's, how I look at it.
Speaker:Hey, I get to have a nice little flight basically for free and you know, that's
Speaker:not to say that you shouldn't support your local FBO But I don't think
Speaker:Atlantic Aviation is gonna miss my money when they're fueling Gulfstreams
Speaker:and Falcons and such In fact, I'm I'm probably more of an inconvenience to them
Speaker:if anything at that point
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We're, we're a nuisance to operations like that.
Speaker:So yeah, you know if you have a great little mom and pop FBO at your
Speaker:home airport and you know They're probably not charging Atlantic or
Speaker:Signature kind of money either.
Speaker:You know, definitely go ahead and support them when you can.
Speaker:anyway, let's see, where were we?
Speaker:Grounding your airplane.
Speaker:You're going to be most likely pumping a fair amount of fuel.
Speaker:You may have just been flying and both of those things cause a lot of
Speaker:static electricity buildup, chances are, you know, the electrical
Speaker:potential of the airplane is not going to be the same as the pump.
Speaker:And so that's why there's always that bonding strap, it's usually a wire
Speaker:that's on a little retractable spool that you just pull out and you want to
Speaker:attach it to a part of the airplane.
Speaker:That
Speaker:Is not painted.
Speaker:it's got a big alligator clip basically on the end.
Speaker:It's clamp.
Speaker:You just, it's spring loaded and you just clamp it onto.
Speaker:And it's worth looking in the manual for your airplane to see if there is a
Speaker:specified grounding point on the airplane.
Speaker:Um, you know, kind of conventional wisdom is just something unpainted.
Speaker:a lot of, uh, FBOs I know will just attach it to the bolt on the nose gear
Speaker:that's not painted or something like that.
Speaker:Or, I generally plug, uh, clamp mine onto the exhaust of the airplane.
Speaker:Um, But for example, uh, on a lot of composite airplanes, you know,
Speaker:that airplane is not all conductive the way a metal airplane would be.
Speaker:And so, um, I don't know where you do it on a Cirrus to be honest, but on a Diamond
Speaker:Star, there is a specific grounding point on the underside of the wing.
Speaker:It almost looks like a spark plug coming out the bottom of the wing.
Speaker:And that's what you're supposed to clip it to.
Speaker:Because if you clip it to the exhaust on a Diamond Star, there is no.
Speaker:electrical path between the exhaust and the tanks at all.
Speaker:So just be aware of that.
Speaker:And, um, especially if you're not on a metal airplane, make
Speaker:sure that you're grounding the airplane at the specified point.
Speaker:And that's just to avoid having any sparks flying in the vicinity
Speaker:of fuel when you go to fuel up.
Speaker:the other thing you want to do is when you are fueling, keep the, filler
Speaker:against the filler neck of the airplane.
Speaker:So you have another path there for that electricity to go.
Speaker:but really the final thing in terms of not creating any sparks is when
Speaker:you're done, don't tap against the airplane to knock that last little drip
Speaker:off because you know, pulling it off and putting it back on, you're just
Speaker:creating another opportunity for a spark.
Speaker:So, Keep it in contact with the airplane until you're done with
Speaker:that tank and then just pull it right off and don't touch it again.
Speaker:at this point, you should have your ground strap attached to the, uh,
Speaker:the proper point on your airplane.
Speaker:You've got your fuel hose pulled out.
Speaker:now, It's really pretty simple.
Speaker:But before I get too far ahead of myself, let's talk about those payment terminals.
Speaker:Again,
Speaker:one of the questions it's going to ask you is for the tail number of your airplane.
Speaker:And I know some people who I would bet are not putting the
Speaker:tail number of their airplane.
Speaker:They're putting some random thing in there.
Speaker:But the reason you do want to put the tail number of your airplane in there is,
Speaker:you know, let's say you run out of fuel.
Speaker:up short, maybe it wasn't even your fault.
Speaker:Maybe you had plenty of fuel, you know, maybe a fuel cap was loosed
Speaker:and you were, you were siphoning some fuel overboard in flight.
Speaker:And whatever reason you ran out of fuel, that's how you can prove that.
Speaker:Yes, I really did have more fuel aboard.
Speaker:is, they're going to be able to go back and say, Oh, yes, November
Speaker:5, put on 80 gallons at Potomac Municipal on their way here.
Speaker:and in the unfortunate event you don't make it, that's how the NTSB is going
Speaker:to be able to piece together, whether it was some sort of a mechanical thing
Speaker:where, you know, there was a fuel cap failure or whether they just say, ah,
Speaker:well, there goes another stupid pilot who didn't fuel up their airplane.
Speaker:So please do go ahead and actually put your tail number in there so
Speaker:that Um, you know, the FAA and the NTSB can say, okay, yeah, that
Speaker:person fueled up their airplane.
Speaker:Side note, I bet November 1, is the most commonly fueled airplane out
Speaker:there, just for those people who don't want to put their own tail number in.
Speaker:So, you've paid for your fuel, you've got your plane grounded,
Speaker:you've got your hose out to the plane, got your fuel pump turned on.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:that can happen in different ways as
Speaker:Do you yet?
Speaker:You should.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:I was going to say,
Speaker:I was going to say that's probably the next thing you should cover because
Speaker:um, people aren't used to turning on the fuel pump after they've paid.
Speaker:Yeah, one thing people don't realize is when you're fueling your car, you
Speaker:know, a lot of the pumps will still have the thing where you lift the handle
Speaker:and you have to flip that little thing
Speaker:Mm hmm.
Speaker:what you're doing.
Speaker:Um, at most airports, I would say that the most common variety I see is that
Speaker:there's a little switch that can rock up and down, um, inside the fuel cabinet.
Speaker:And it's often next to a light switch.
Speaker:That's the same style, um, that will light up the inside of the
Speaker:cabinet if you're fueling at night.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:I have
Speaker:it's usually close to the um, flow meter.
Speaker:Um, that's going to tell you how many gallons
Speaker:right.
Speaker:that's the way I see it usually around here anyway, is it's somewhere
Speaker:around, um, you're going to see usually an analog flow meter.
Speaker:That's going to, um, there's a reset button.
Speaker:I don't know if you were going to get to that, but let's you zero that out.
Speaker:Usually the on off switch is somewhere close to that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I would agree.
Speaker:And you just made another great point.
Speaker:Those, those analog meters, need to be reset before you start pumping fuel.
Speaker:I would say most commonly there is a on the right hand side that you just turn.
Speaker:Uh, so the top is going front to back and that'll roll all the numbers down to zero
Speaker:and then you let go and you'll be able to tell how much fuel you're pumping.
Speaker:They're, they're still, they're still counting how much fuel you're pumping.
Speaker:So you're going to pay for it either way.
Speaker:But if you want to know how much you're pumping, it'd be
Speaker:a good idea to zero that out.
Speaker:Yes, for sure.
Speaker:It's not going to affect the payment at all.
Speaker:Like you
Speaker:said, um, that's just a tool
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:for you to know how much you put in.
Speaker:Okay, so, the other thing that I have seen is there are airports that have
Speaker:taken old school automotive fuel pumps and done some hardware hacking to them
Speaker:to make them into aircraft fuel pumps
Speaker:so you
Speaker:I have not run across that.
Speaker:That is.
Speaker:It's pretty funny.
Speaker:you may actually need to lift that little thing that
Speaker:would have been where the
Speaker:pump handle used to be.
Speaker:since aircraft pump handles are not the same shape, they won't fit in there.
Speaker:So, um, there's usually some other place where the pump handle goes.
Speaker:yeah, you'll see all kinds of.
Speaker:Things that have been hacked together at small airports.
Speaker:Um, you know, everybody's making use of the resources that they have available.
Speaker:So, just be aware that, you know, there is quite a bit of variation out there.
Speaker:but yeah, I would say by far the most common is that one that's
Speaker:inside the cabinet real close to the analog meter numbers.
Speaker:And that's probably slightly into the majority of, of, uh, small airport
Speaker:self serve pumps that I've seen.
Speaker:So, are we ready to pump fuel yet?
Speaker:try and keep the rest of the mechanism and the hose and everything
Speaker:from touching the airplane.
Speaker:you know, even if it's your airplane and you're paying for the next paint
Speaker:job, there's no reason to rush that.
Speaker:If you're on a high wing airplane, Now, you're probably up on a ladder,
Speaker:so the easiest way to handle that is to have the fuel hose coming over your
Speaker:shoulder, and that way it's not going to make contact with the airplane at all.
Speaker:by the way, um, most, I don't know about most, many places,
Speaker:uh, where you get self serve fuel will have a ladder laying there.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:I would say
Speaker:pretty much everybody does.
Speaker:have never been
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:that had self serve fuel that didn't have a ladder.
Speaker:Or,
Speaker:I haven't either, but I haven't been to most places, so I
Speaker:didn't want to overspeak.
Speaker:yeah, well, I mean, when I was flying the 182 around all over the place, you
Speaker:know, I was fueling that myself, and Um, that is one thing that, I said, I've
Speaker:never run into a place that didn't have a ladder because they would be excluding
Speaker:the entire wing segment of the market.
Speaker:Um, speaking of Cessnas we recently talked about securing a Your airplane
Speaker:post flight and how you need to move the fuel selector off of the both position.
Speaker:Same thing happens here.
Speaker:If you leave your fuel selector on both, the fuel will start draining from one
Speaker:wing into the other almost immediately when you start filling up one side.
Speaker:And so, gallons can move across.
Speaker:Um, at least this is what I found in the 182 is, you'd have several gallons move
Speaker:across from one side to the other if you fueled it with the fuel selector in both.
Speaker:And then you get on the other side and you fill it up and well then you're
Speaker:not actually filled up anymore because, some of your fuel, across when you
Speaker:were fueling the first tank, and so you got some air in that tank now.
Speaker:Um, so make sure you put the fuel selector on left or right before you
Speaker:fuel up, um, on a Cessna or anything else that has between tanks like that.
Speaker:just make sure you know your fuel system and make sure you're putting
Speaker:your fuel in the place you want it.
Speaker:but yeah, most planes, you're going to be fueling up one wing and then
Speaker:moving and fueling up the other one.
Speaker:I pretty much always fuel up the wing that's farther from the pump
Speaker:first, just so that I don't have to pull more fuel hose out in between.
Speaker:you know, if you're on a high wing, you're going to need to
Speaker:move your ladder in between tanks and that sort of thing as well.
Speaker:But once you're done, you know, if you got that high wing, go
Speaker:ahead and put the ladder away.
Speaker:but the next thing you want to do is turn the pump off.
Speaker:So go and find that switch wherever you found it, turn the pump off.
Speaker:And, you'll hear the pump stop and you'll probably, if you're close enough to
Speaker:that payment terminal, you're, you'll hear a receipt start to print, get
Speaker:everything all buttoned up, make sure your fuel caps are on securely and.
Speaker:I actually don't know what the name for the style of fuel caps I have is, but
Speaker:it's the, you know, the flush variety.
Speaker:those
Speaker:don't have to be too far off of level with the top of the wing before they
Speaker:can start leaking fuel, I would say it's probably, 10 degrees or less.
Speaker:and it's fairly easy to do that.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:I know that with the
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:we always had to double check that line.
Speaker:People had those back on straight and I know on the Mooney once I have
Speaker:had the experience of accidentally doing that and not noticing it myself.
Speaker:And then shortly after takeoff, I to Well, I don't know.
Speaker:For whatever reason, I was looking out at the left wing and I noticed this stream.
Speaker:It almost looked like smoke, but it was just white.
Speaker:And I thought, Oh, that's cool.
Speaker:Except for that's not water vapor.
Speaker:That's fuel that I'm leaking.
Speaker:So I had to turn around and go right back into the airport again, then
Speaker:get that fuel cap on there straight.
Speaker:So that's a good thing to double check.
Speaker:once you've got the plain doll button back up, you're going to need to retract
Speaker:the fuel hose and that grounding strap.
Speaker:of the time.
Speaker:I would say you'll have an electric motor on the fuel hose system.
Speaker:There are some that are manual and they're, they're kind of a pain, Yes,
Speaker:so one trick that I learned that I, you know, I like to leave everything
Speaker:ready to go for the next pilot.
Speaker:And if you don't have somebody there to help you getting that fuel hose
Speaker:back onto the reel, it could be difficult to get it evenly wound up
Speaker:across the full width of the reel.
Speaker:And so one thing that I generally do is I my foot, just like the arch of your foot,
Speaker:up against the fuel pump as you're pushing the button to retract the fuel hose.
Speaker:And you can use your foot to kind of push it and right as
Speaker:it's rolling itself back up.
Speaker:And make sure that you don't.
Speaker:Get to the point where the entire fuel hose is all on one side of the
Speaker:reel and starts getting bound up and
Speaker:One thing that some airports have on those fuel hose reels is a clutch that
Speaker:you may have to engage or disengage To be able to pull the fuel hose out Easily
Speaker:and then you know, you might have to re engage a clutch to get that that motor
Speaker:to start Uh, to pull on the reel again.
Speaker:So just be aware of that.
Speaker:Um, that's usually a, a big black handle that'll be on the side of the reel.
Speaker:Um, not super common, but it's not exactly rare either.
Speaker:So we've got our fuel hose in.
Speaker:Uh, next thing is that, that grounding cable, with those, if they have the
Speaker:automatic retraction, you can just give it a little tug and it'll start
Speaker:to, to retract that on its own.
Speaker:Don't
Speaker:just let go
Speaker:Spring mechanism.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And don't just let
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:then they zip in really quick and you make the airport managers mad because
Speaker:it only takes a few times of that happening before A, that, that, that
Speaker:Alligator clip is just destroyed from dragging along the, the ground on its
Speaker:way back in, but then it also hits the stop inside the cabinet suddenly
Speaker:and gets ripped off the cable and, you know, messes up that spring mechanism.
Speaker:So, take a hold of that alligator clip securely, then
Speaker:give it a tug and walk it in.
Speaker:You might want to grab your receipt.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:you do want to be sure you sump the new fuel because who knows if there's a leak
Speaker:in the tank at that little airport or something, maybe there's a big rainstorm
Speaker:and their tank is full of water and you just pumped it into your airplane.
Speaker:So definitely, Um, be diligent about checking the fuel and making sure that
Speaker:there's no water or sediment in it.
Speaker:Um, especially,
Speaker:Make sure it's the right color.
Speaker:yes, all that stuff that you do on a pre flight.
Speaker:Make sure you do
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:you fuel.
Speaker:In the event that you're done flying for the day, and it's gonna be, you
Speaker:know, you're parking the plane for the night, make if it is really cold when
Speaker:you're filling the plane, top it off every last little bit because morning
Speaker:the sun comes out it starts to warm up and that fuel is going to expand and
Speaker:it's going to start draining out all over the ramp and wasting your money.
Speaker:So, um, leave a little room in there if it's really cold when you're fueling.
Speaker:As far as how to find fuel, how do you, how do you decide where you want to fuel,
Speaker:Bill?
Speaker:You know, I use, I use ForeFlight.
Speaker:one of the layers on the map is allows you to turn on fuel.
Speaker:I know they get their data from other places and they
Speaker:also allow pilots to update.
Speaker:those fuel amounts right in ForeFlight.
Speaker:and there are other places I could look for it, but lately I don't,
Speaker:I don't really do that anymore.
Speaker:I just look at ForeFlight.
Speaker:They, ForeFlight even color codes them.
Speaker:So, you know, if it's green, uh, it means it's one of the,
Speaker:cheaper fuels in the area.
Speaker:If it's yellow, it's kind of a mid price fuel.
Speaker:And if it's red, it's one of the most expensive airports to get fuel.
Speaker:you could be flying along and just, check along your route and
Speaker:just look for the cheapest ones.
Speaker:So that that's what I do.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker:check airnav.
Speaker:com Because there's enough people still flying out there that don't use ForeFlight
Speaker:and usually complain on the internet about people who do use ForeFlight.
Speaker:And so they're generally still using AirNav, which would, I mean, AirNav
Speaker:has been around for a long time.
Speaker:I mean, I've been flying for more than 20 years and it was
Speaker:there right in the beginning.
Speaker:Um, probably the, I would guess the first site that had fuel prices, but
Speaker:the thing that I use there is what they call great deals reports and that
Speaker:will, it shows you what the criteria are for getting on that report, but I
Speaker:think you have to be like the lowest within 50 miles or something like that.
Speaker:And then they have the, they have some that are highlighted as
Speaker:super deals that have to be like the cheapest within 150 miles.
Speaker:And so.
Speaker:There are times where I'll find something on there that hasn't been updated in
Speaker:ForeFlight, but that's pretty rare.
Speaker:It's just kind of another, another method of looking.
Speaker:A little farther and a little wider for cheap fuel because, one drawback to using
Speaker:ForeFlight is if you zoom out too far, you won't be able to see all the prices.
Speaker:And so you might be hiding a good price, and so I do, you know, when I'm using
Speaker:ForeFlight, I keep it fairly zoomed in, uh, and if you're going on a 1,
Speaker:000, 1, 500 mile trip, can go 100 or 200 miles off course in the middle of
Speaker:that trip, and you're only affecting your total trip distance by like 10
Speaker:miles.
Speaker:so
Speaker:some of those really long trips are where those those air nav great deals
Speaker:reports can you find something that not be right on your path, but might be
Speaker:worth stopping at anyway.
Speaker:Those are awesome tips Kent for refueling the airplane.
Speaker:And I think, you know, like we said at the beginning, I think there's a lot of
Speaker:people that have just never had experience doing that, so really appreciate you kind
Speaker:of walking through all those details.
Speaker:And, uh, um, I hope it helps somebody out there when they get beyond the check ride.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:And you know, if nothing else, I think the best thing to do is to
Speaker:go and do this before you have to.
Speaker:Don't wait until you're on the way home from vacation Sunday
Speaker:night and have to figure out a new thing because that's where that
Speaker:get thereitis is going to set in.
Speaker:Now that you've heard this, go out and try it for yourself and you'll find out
Speaker:it really is not that big of a deal.
Speaker:It's an easy thing to do.
Speaker:It can save you a ton of money.
Speaker:So
Speaker:go out there,
Speaker:That's a great point.
Speaker:fly safe and have fun.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Thanks again, Kent.
Speaker:And until next time, we'll see ya.
Speaker:See ya.
Speaker:I hope you enjoyed the flight and the latest Beyond the Checkride.
Speaker:I want to thank Kent for his help on these segments.
Speaker:He's got a lot of GA experience.
Speaker:So his insights are really valuable and I hope you're finding them valuable too.
Speaker:Again, we'd love ideas on what we should cover in those segments.
Speaker:We've already thought of things that we should have put
Speaker:in our first one last week.
Speaker:We'll probably think of some this week, and going into the future.
Speaker:so we'll probably redo topics again at some point.
Speaker:But in the meantime, like I said, we'd love to hear from you on what
Speaker:you think we should do, or if you have ideas about what we should do,
Speaker:or if we've forgotten anything that we should add in or, or correct.
Speaker:So send your thoughts and feedback to me at Bill at studentpilotcast.
Speaker:com.
Speaker:You can also reach out to me on X with the handle Billwill.
Speaker:That's Bravo, India, Lima, Lima, Whiskey, India, Lima.
Speaker:And as usual, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker:So keep the suggestions and the comments coming.
Speaker:Like I said, I was loving this.
Speaker:I had a lot of hard work and study ahead of me, which I had already started.
Speaker:I was preparing for the written and eventually would
Speaker:be preparing for my check ride.
Speaker:And of course, learning and trying to understand what this instrument
Speaker:flying thing was all about.
Speaker:I had purchased and watched the instrument course from sporties.
Speaker:But I was also getting my feet wet with Shepard Air, which I'll definitely
Speaker:talk about in a future episode as I got ready to take the written.
Speaker:Those programs at Shepard Air would prove invaluable as I've
Speaker:been progressing in my certs and ratings, so I'll cover that soon.
Speaker:For now, I was flying and I was trying to get sharper with my skills.
Speaker:It's a lot, but I knew it'd be worth it.
Speaker:It seemed far away, but looking back, it would be just a blink of an eye and
Speaker:I'd be sitting in front of the DPE.
